Chimpanzee Politics: Power and Sex Among Apes
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Summary
The first edition of Frans de Waal's Chimpanzee Politics was acclaimed not only by primatologists for its scientific achievement but also by politicians， business leaders， and social psychologists for its remarkable insights into the most basic human needs and behaviors。 Twenty-five years later， this book is considered a classic。 Featuring a new preface that includes recent insights from the author， this anniversary edition is a detailed and thoroughly engrossing account of rivalries and coalitions—actions governed by intelligence rather than instinct。 As we watch the chimpanzees of Arnhem behave in ways we recognize from Machiavelli （and from the nightly news）， de Waal reminds us again that the roots of politics are older than humanity。
Reviews
Mees
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Op vlotte wijze geeft De Waal in 'Chimpanseepolitiek' veel informatie over onderwerp en methode。 De lezer krijgt namelijk zowel een goed beeld van de sociale kant van de chimpansee， als van de manier waarop een wetenschapper zo'n onderwerp bestudeerd。 Deze mensaap blijkt in sociaal opzicht zeer ver ontwikkeld te zijn。 Constant is hij zich bewust van de verhoudingen en op zijn eigen manier bezig invloed uit te oefenen op de groep。 Hoe dit in zijn werk gaat， wordt aan de hand van voornamelijk de i Op vlotte wijze geeft De Waal in 'Chimpanseepolitiek' veel informatie over onderwerp en methode。 De lezer krijgt namelijk zowel een goed beeld van de sociale kant van de chimpansee， als van de manier waarop een wetenschapper zo'n onderwerp bestudeerd。 Deze mensaap blijkt in sociaal opzicht zeer ver ontwikkeld te zijn。 Constant is hij zich bewust van de verhoudingen en op zijn eigen manier bezig invloed uit te oefenen op de groep。 Hoe dit in zijn werk gaat， wordt aan de hand van voornamelijk de invloedrijkste leden van de groep helder verteld。 Hierbij somt De Waal gelukkig niet slechts zijn conclusies op， maar laat hij zien welke observaties tot welke hypotheses leiden， en hoe deze hypotheses in verband kunnen worden gebracht met het werk van andere primatologen， met de evolutietheorie， en met een nauwe verwant van de chimpansee: de mens。 Vooral dit laatste verband is van belang。 Waar velen ervoor terugdeinsen dieren kenmerken toe te schrijven die als typisch menselijk worden gezien， of om andersom mensen 'dierlijke kenmerken' toe te schrijven， schroomt De Waal niet om op basis van een goede onderbouwing de gelijkenissen tussen chimpansee en mens aan te kaarten。 Dit levert een vruchtbare invalshoek op van waaruit naar de chimpansee én naar de mens kan worden gekeken。 Zo bezien gaat dit boek niet over twee， maar over drie dingen: wetenschapper， chimpansee， mens。 。。。more
Angelica Perez
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It's one of those rare books that makes a scientific contribution while being accessible to lay persons。 Since reading the book， I've had the unexpected side-effect of dealing far more gracefully with people。 It's reinforced to me that much of people's default behavior is not intentionally malicious， but rather hard-wired into their nature。 It will also change （in a very comical way） your perspective on the apes than run our government。 It's one of those rare books that makes a scientific contribution while being accessible to lay persons。 Since reading the book， I've had the unexpected side-effect of dealing far more gracefully with people。 It's reinforced to me that much of people's default behavior is not intentionally malicious， but rather hard-wired into their nature。 It will also change （in a very comical way） your perspective on the apes than run our government。 。。。more
Anjar Priandoyo
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"Humans should regard it as an honor to be classed as political animals"Machiavellian intelligence is the capacity of an organism to be in a successful political engagement with social groups。 At least there are several components required:1。Alliances （Coalition/Collective Leadership/Divide and Rules）2。Hierarchy （Stratification/Class/Dependent/Rank）This will through: Formalization/Battle/ReciprocityWhen we see how this formalization takes place during reconciliations， we understand that the hier "Humans should regard it as an honor to be classed as political animals"Machiavellian intelligence is the capacity of an organism to be in a successful political engagement with social groups。 At least there are several components required:1。Alliances （Coalition/Collective Leadership/Divide and Rules）2。Hierarchy （Stratification/Class/Dependent/Rank）This will through: Formalization/Battle/ReciprocityWhen we see how this formalization takes place during reconciliations， we understand that the hierarchy is a cohesive factor， which puts limits on competition and conflict。 Child care， play， sex， and cooperation depend on the resultant stability。Chimpanzee Politics: Power and Sex Among Apes （Frans de Waal 1982）A very interesting book， beautiful one。 。。。more
Alexey
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Очень интересно понимать， что многие черты и поведение， что считаются чисто человеческими наблюдаются и у шимпанзе， а часть из них и у многих млекопитающих。
W。B。 Habsburg
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Good insight into social dynamics and power hierarchies amongst chimpanzees
Joseph C。
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A excellant exploration of complexity of chimpanzee politics。
Joe Spoto
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I am certain this book would have been required reading for my major， had it been published when I was in undergrad。 I have heard this author on Science Friday several times and on Alan Alda's Clear and Vivid podcast and have read his other book but for some reason I hadn't read this one until now。 Chimpanzees are amazingly complex creatures， both socially and emotionally and this is a peek into their world。 I am certain this book would have been required reading for my major， had it been published when I was in undergrad。 I have heard this author on Science Friday several times and on Alan Alda's Clear and Vivid podcast and have read his other book but for some reason I hadn't read this one until now。 Chimpanzees are amazingly complex creatures， both socially and emotionally and this is a peek into their world。 。。。more
Xujie8410
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Yeroen、Luit和Nikkie三只最有“权势”的黑猩猩（Chimpanzee）玩起三头政治来一点不输于人类（Homo Sapien）。
Rafael
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"I've never thought a scientific book could be this funny" Yuval Harari。This book is a rich story about power struggle in a Dutch chimpanzee yard of a Zoo。 It was amusing， entertaining ， funny and it also changed my view on mankind。 What can you ask more？ One of my favorites of all time。 "I've never thought a scientific book could be this funny" Yuval Harari。This book is a rich story about power struggle in a Dutch chimpanzee yard of a Zoo。 It was amusing， entertaining ， funny and it also changed my view on mankind。 What can you ask more？ One of my favorites of all time。 。。。more
Munjo Yu
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I've known animals have minds， emotions， a sense of fairness， planning， etc through my first-hand experience and reading authors such as Fabre or Seton。 In short， except for the high intelligence of humans， they are much like us。Yet， I learned that politics is older than humans through the vivid and keen observation narrated in this book。 It's an eye-opening experience。The book is well written and a page-turner。 I've known animals have minds， emotions， a sense of fairness， planning， etc through my first-hand experience and reading authors such as Fabre or Seton。 In short， except for the high intelligence of humans， they are much like us。Yet， I learned that politics is older than humans through the vivid and keen observation narrated in this book。 It's an eye-opening experience。The book is well written and a page-turner。 。。。more
Arno Mosikyan
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excerpt: “Harold Laswell's famous definition of politics as a social process determining "who gets what， when， and how，" there can be little doubt that chimpanzees engage in it。 Since in both humans and their closest relatives the process involves bluff， coalitions， and isolation tactics， a common terminology is warranted。" excerpt: “Harold Laswell's famous definition of politics as a social process determining "who gets what， when， and how，" there can be little doubt that chimpanzees engage in it。 Since in both humans and their closest relatives the process involves bluff， coalitions， and isolation tactics， a common terminology is warranted。" 。。。more
Alex Kahn
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Intriguing discussion of the complexities of chimpanzee sociality。 Covers similarities with human politics and offers compelling philosophical discussions。
Kevin Shen
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A very entertaining book about the social dynamics of chimpanzees。 5/5 for storytelling。 The main conclusion I walked away with is chimpanzees have most of the mental machinery humans have: social strategizing， "rolling out" the future， planning， manipulation， modelling the state of other agents， and so on。 The book left me wondering how large the gap between the ape and human intelligence really is？This seems like an interesting book to read if you are interested in multiagent reinforcement/mac A very entertaining book about the social dynamics of chimpanzees。 5/5 for storytelling。 The main conclusion I walked away with is chimpanzees have most of the mental machinery humans have: social strategizing， "rolling out" the future， planning， manipulation， modelling the state of other agents， and so on。 The book left me wondering how large the gap between the ape and human intelligence really is？This seems like an interesting book to read if you are interested in multiagent reinforcement/machine learning。 The main thesis of this book is social dynamics between apes are simplified but have all the colors of human social dynamics。 So perhaps ape-to-ape interaction is a good benchmarks for what early A。I。 systems should be able to do in multiagent environments。Minus one star for the analysis in the last chapter of the book。 It's trivial at times and confused at others。 。。。more
Dennis
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Absurdly interesting book to learn how primates behave in a very accessible style。
Alok Sharma
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striking similarities between apes and sapiensthis book can have wide range implication freedom for sex is a necessity for peace within modern societyweird restriction put by the ideological and religious institutions are all reason for perverted sexual encounters observed in societies 。how rape and such equivalent crimes are not observed in apes substantiate the argument 。Politics should always be done keeping the view of tit for tat。The imperative of reconciliation in contemporary politics is striking similarities between apes and sapiensthis book can have wide range implication freedom for sex is a necessity for peace within modern societyweird restriction put by the ideological and religious institutions are all reason for perverted sexual encounters observed in societies 。how rape and such equivalent crimes are not observed in apes substantiate the argument 。Politics should always be done keeping the view of tit for tat。The imperative of reconciliation in contemporary politics is an axiom。keep this book away from politicians they can use it as deadly as they can 。。。more
Carl
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This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers。 To view it， click here。 This is a fascinating read， especially for people interested in politics。 Whenever I hear people talk about their aspirations for the political order， the changes are often lead by an understanding of what is natural vs what is socially constructed; this book sheds some light on this。 A few questions and thoughts I have are:1） The different forms of power seem very similar to humans。 Direct power that arises through a combination of physical strength and alliances， an influence which tends to be This is a fascinating read， especially for people interested in politics。 Whenever I hear people talk about their aspirations for the political order， the changes are often lead by an understanding of what is natural vs what is socially constructed; this book sheds some light on this。 A few questions and thoughts I have are:1） The different forms of power seem very similar to humans。 Direct power that arises through a combination of physical strength and alliances， an influence which tends to be held by the older ex-alpha chimps， material power enjoyed mainly by the females， and sexual power dominated by females （through choice） and the alpha male through （through stopping other males from having sex）。 2） The utility of power。 Why do the males try to take the alpha spot？ Sexual monopoly clearly has an evolutionary utility but is there anything else？ There are clear downsides such as exposure to being usurped and killed in the process and having to break up fights again risking their own safety。 What I also found interesting on this point is the clear gender difference between the type of power that they desire。 However， when there are no males at the beginning， "Mama" takes the alpha position taking on very masculine qualities。 What is the benefit for her given that the sexual advantage is taken off the table？ Is this why she turns Tyrannical？ Relating to humans， do women take on direct power positions more so now because there is a vacuum of masculinity， is it just because we are forcing it upon society because of feminist ideology， or is it because we are more like Bonobos than chimps which have Matriarch leaders。 3） How could Luit have taken power without being quickly usurped？ Was there a way based on how other chimp tribes work that Luit could have been chosen by Yeroen to succeed him when Yeroen voluntarily retired his position without a violent takeover？ It would be interesting to have other chimp studies referenced here in relation to peaceful transitions of power。 Given Yeroen's political skill， it seemed impossible that Luit could have kept power unless he had promoted Yeroen or Nikkie to a position that would have mitigated their ambition。 How could he have done this？4） Hereditary power - this is not really talked about in the chimp world and I think that is because the males don't know who their children are。 The high ranking females's children have hereditary privileges vs other children but does this translate into adulthood？ It seems the answer is a no。 What about Gibbons who are monogamous？ This is a knowledge gap I have。 I imagine the results of hereditary power with chimps would produce more social stability， but less effective leadership and more tyrants。 This would definitely explain in humans the historic desire for hereditary power。 This book helps us imagine how unstable leadership was until we developed dynastic rule and then democracy。 Any additional evidence from apes/monkeys on this would be appreciated。 。。。more
Brecht Durnez
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De eerste helft is een eerder saaie les biologie。 De tweede is een heel leuk inzicht in hoe ingenieus chimpansees aan "politiek" doen。 De vergelijking met de mens is nooit ver weg。 Ik denk dat ik hier nog vaak aan zal terugdenken als we weer eens mogen genieten van het schouwspel dat onze heren opvoeren。 Dank voor de tip。 De eerste helft is een eerder saaie les biologie。 De tweede is een heel leuk inzicht in hoe ingenieus chimpansees aan "politiek" doen。 De vergelijking met de mens is nooit ver weg。 Ik denk dat ik hier nog vaak aan zal terugdenken als we weer eens mogen genieten van het schouwspel dat onze heren opvoeren。 Dank voor de tip。 。。。more
Cindy
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Macht en seks onder mensapenIn 1976 brak in de chimpanseekolonie in Burger’s zoo in Arnhem een langdurige machtstrijd uit tussen de drie sterkste mannen。Chimpanseepolitiek is wetenschap op zijn allerspannendst。Dit boek werd genoemd in een artikel en wat daar stond prikkelde me zo， dat ik het boek wilde lezen。Het boek is al in 1982 geschreven en dit is de vijfde druk uit 2016。Ik weet niet wat het is， maar ik vind het interessant te lezen hoe de groep chimpansees met elkaar om gaat en wat er allem Macht en seks onder mensapenIn 1976 brak in de chimpanseekolonie in Burger’s zoo in Arnhem een langdurige machtstrijd uit tussen de drie sterkste mannen。Chimpanseepolitiek is wetenschap op zijn allerspannendst。Dit boek werd genoemd in een artikel en wat daar stond prikkelde me zo， dat ik het boek wilde lezen。Het boek is al in 1982 geschreven en dit is de vijfde druk uit 2016。Ik weet niet wat het is， maar ik vind het interessant te lezen hoe de groep chimpansees met elkaar om gaat en wat er allemaal speelt。 Het zijn net mensen （soms）。De beschrijvingen van de apen zelf en hoe ze handelen en waarom ze zo handelen。 De verschillen tussen de mannen en de vrouwen in de groep， met daarnaast de verschillen tussen de mannen onderling en de rangorde en die bij de vrouwen。De slimheid en het samenwerken om bijvoorbeeld voorbij de stroomdraden bij de takken met bladeren te komen zijn leuk en interessant om te lezen vind ik。De epilogue over wat er na de eerste druk tot aan deze druk is gebeurd kwam wel binnen。 Trouwens mooi om te lezen dat de schrijver na al die jaren nog herkend wordt door de oudere apen als hij op visite komt。 。。。more
Ben
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Social dynamics in 5 minute intervals！ Just what I always wanted！The dynamics here are so complex I sometimes found them requiring lots of thought， they seemed roughly about the same as any tv drama。 Made me wonder how if human social dyanamics are even more complex， no wonder I'm missing weird parts of my life。 Social dynamics in 5 minute intervals！ Just what I always wanted！The dynamics here are so complex I sometimes found them requiring lots of thought， they seemed roughly about the same as any tv drama。 Made me wonder how if human social dyanamics are even more complex， no wonder I'm missing weird parts of my life。 。。。more
Bair
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Книга «Политика у Шимпанзе。 Власть и секс у приматов» описывает несколько лет из жизни группы шимпанзе， проживавших в одном из зоопарков в Нидерландах。Франс де Вааль， автор книги и известный приматолог， подробнейшим образом документирует самые драматические эпизоды борьбы за позицию альфа-самца стаи。 В широких кругах бытует стереотип， что альфа-самец – это просто самый сильный и жестокий самец в группе。 Но тут мы быстро узнаём， что роль настоящего альфа-самца – это не только безлимитный допуск к Книга «Политика у Шимпанзе。 Власть и секс у приматов» описывает несколько лет из жизни группы шимпанзе， проживавших в одном из зоопарков в Нидерландах。Франс де Вааль， автор книги и известный приматолог， подробнейшим образом документирует самые драматические эпизоды борьбы за позицию альфа-самца стаи。 В широких кругах бытует стереотип， что альфа-самец – это просто самый сильный и жестокий самец в группе。 Но тут мы быстро узнаём， что роль настоящего альфа-самца – это не только безлимитный допуск к жратве и сексу， но ещё и изнурительная и полная ответственности и различных нервных потрясений позиция。Грубая физическая сила нужна， но не достаточна。 Нужен постоянный контроль за настроениями в коллективе， и всегда есть вероятность， что за твоей спиной плетётся заговор。 Шимпанзе， как никто другой， умеют плести интриги， лгать， льстить и ждать своего часа для решительного удара。 Коалиции формируются сплошь и рядом。 Поэтому альфа-самец должен всегда иметь поддержку широких обезьяних масс， вести отдельную политику с самками， с детёнышами， с молодыми и с высокоранговыми самцами – ко всем нужно уметь найти свой подход。 Но даже самого раскрутого альфа-самца рано или поздно свергают。 И повороты сюжета в жизни стаи шимпанзе – покруче любой «Игры Престолов»。Книга читается как остросюжетный приключенческий роман， а по ходу чтения вдруг осознаёшь: а ведь мы， люди， в общем-то недалеко ушли от шимпанзе， и параллели весьма очевидны。 Поэтому книга эта считается классикой не только для учёных-приматологов， но и для политиков – она входит даже в список рекомендованных книг для конгрессменов в США。 。。。more
Andrew Tijan
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Such a trove of knowledge if you find yourself asking "why do chimpanzees do that？" Such a trove of knowledge if you find yourself asking "why do chimpanzees do that？" 。。。more
Nick
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Fascinating book which shows how similar chimps are to humans in their social interactions。 Also makes one think differently about human politics when one sees how blatant it is in the animal kingdom。
Steven Siswandhi
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Fascinating。 De Waal took us on a journey similar to an anthropologist's observation of a primitive society。 I can imagine how revolutionary the impact was when it first came out， turns out these chimps have sophisitcated social mechanisms， regardless of whether they understood it。 My only problem is that I'm rather scientifically-inclined， I have problems with the overly anthropological ways of describing a chimp society with words relevant to human politics。 What if de Waal is merely adding su Fascinating。 De Waal took us on a journey similar to an anthropologist's observation of a primitive society。 I can imagine how revolutionary the impact was when it first came out， turns out these chimps have sophisitcated social mechanisms， regardless of whether they understood it。 My only problem is that I'm rather scientifically-inclined， I have problems with the overly anthropological ways of describing a chimp society with words relevant to human politics。 What if de Waal is merely adding superficial human categories to what is essentially a play act？ Some of the things the chimps do seem like it doesn't fit at all to the explanations。 Although， there is real violence/sex， so at least some of the descriptions happen in some sense。 Nevertheless， it's an impressive work， I can't imagine how this guy just sat on the zoo and observed all the chimps until he could name them by sight and explain what they did to each other。 。。。more
Paul Brooks
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A peak into the history of war and power in primal society。 Don't forget to read about the bonobos as well！ A peak into the history of war and power in primal society。 Don't forget to read about the bonobos as well！ 。。。more
Innes Verutin
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Чудесная книга о отношениях шимпанзе в Аркеме。 Борьба за власть， интриги， секс， отношения， иерархия。 Написано живым языком с большой любовью и пониманием животных。 Истинное удовольствие при прочтении。
Mlbowden
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Loved it！
Mike
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This book dignifies chimpanzees， which isn't all that surprising， I suppose。 More surprising， however， is that human beings are also dignified in this book by placing them in the thick of an animal kingdom that is greater， and far more complex and interesting， than we typically credit。 This book dignifies chimpanzees， which isn't all that surprising， I suppose。 More surprising， however， is that human beings are also dignified in this book by placing them in the thick of an animal kingdom that is greater， and far more complex and interesting， than we typically credit。 。。。more
Sean Talts
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Everyone should read this。
Kiril Valchev
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Когато， преди 4-5 века， Николо Макиавели е описвал механизмите на придобиване， укрепване и задържане на властта， спокойно може да приемем， че е имал предвид и шимпанзетата， освен някакви си там Медичи и Борджии。 След като прекарва 6 години （1975-81） в наблюдение на най-голямата колония шимпанзета в плен （зоологическата градина в Арнем， Холандия）， де Ваал издава "Chimpanzee politics"- първата си и （може би） най-значима книга。 Социална структура， комплексност и динамика на отношенията， които по ни Когато， преди 4-5 века， Николо Макиавели е описвал механизмите на придобиване， укрепване и задържане на властта， спокойно може да приемем， че е имал предвид и шимпанзетата， освен някакви си там Медичи и Борджии。 След като прекарва 6 години （1975-81） в наблюдение на най-голямата колония шимпанзета в плен （зоологическата градина в Арнем， Холандия）， де Ваал издава "Chimpanzee politics"- първата си и （може би） най-значима книга。 Социална структура， комплексност и динамика на отношенията， които по нищо не отстъпват на човешките。 Огледало， в което избягваме， но трябва да поглеждаме。 。。。more
Heidi
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